Chapter 7: Conditioning: Socially-Sanctioned Child Abuse
And the trouble is - this is why I feel sorry for him - that what he is doing could have been of tremendous help, but it has not helped anybody. I have not come across a single person - and I have met thousands of Krishnamurti-ites, but not a single one of them is transformed. Yes, they are very vocal. You cannot argue with them, you cannot defeat them as far as argument is concerned. Krishnamurti has sharpened their intellect for years and now they are just parrots repeating Krishnamurti.
This is the paradox of Krishnamurti’s whole life. He wanted them to be individuals on their own, and what has he succeeded in doing? They are just parrots, intellectual parrots.
This man, Raosaheb Patvardhan, who wanted me to see Krishnamurti, was one of his old colleagues. He came to know me just in 1965 when I spoke in Pune; he lived in Pune. He is no longer alive. I asked Raosaheb Patvardhan - he was a very respected man - “You have been so close to Krishnamurti all your life, but what is the gain? I don’t want to hear that tradition is bad, conditioning is bad, and it has to be dropped - I know all that. Put that all aside and just tell me: what have you gained?”
And that old man, who died just six or seven months afterwards, told me, “As far as gaining is concerned, I have never thought about it and nobody ever asked about it.”
But I said, “Then what is the point? Whether you are for tradition or you are against tradition, either way you are tethered to tradition. When are you going to open your wings and fly? Somebody is sitting on a tree because he loves the tree; somebody else is sitting on the same tree because he hates the tree, and he will not leave the tree unless he destroys it. One goes on watering it, the other goes on destroying it, but both are confined, tethered, chained to the tree.”
I asked him, “When are you going to open your wings and fly? The sky is there. You have both forgotten the sky. And what has the tree to do with it anyway?”
That’s why I remembered the incident of my celibate professor and my saying: “I don’t even hate her.”
I don’t hate any religion.
I simply state the fact:
Religions are nothing but crimes against humanity.
But I am not saying it with any hate in me. I have no love for them, I have no hate for them: I simply state whatsoever is the fact.
So you will find much similarity between what I am saying and what J. Krishnamurti is saying, but there is a tremendous difference. And the difference is that while I am talking to your intellect, I am working somewhere else.hence the gaps. Hence the discourse becomes too long! Any idiot can repeat my discourse in one hour - not me, because I have to do something else too.
So while you are waiting for my words, that is the right time:
You are engaged in your head, waiting.
And I am stealing your heart.
I am a thief!