Yes. So from these three people I became of aware what is going on: “Your commune has become almost a concentration camp. Everybody who is intelligent is being thrown out, in some way or other pressurized, forced, humiliated. The vice-chancellor of our university left, the chancellor of our university left, a few very good therapists left, a few people who have been with me for almost a decade, utterly in love, had to leave, and with tears in their eyes, because Sheela did not want anybody who could rebel against her.

The moment I became aware of the situation, I declared that from tomorrow I am going to speak.

Could I ask you how you did become aware? Who approached you first so that…? When did you know that, did you begin to suspect that Sheela and her gang were up to no good?

These three people were the only…

But when? Specifics – could you give me some specifics? I mean was it in May, was it in June? – you know, that type of thing.

It is very difficult for me, because I never take note of days and dates, but it must be when I started speaking.

I believe that was in June?

It must be one and a half months before that I started speaking.

Hasya: October, ‘84.

October of eighty-four is when you got…is when Osho started speaking?

Hasya: No, Osho started speaking to a small group of people in October, ‘84. He was not yet speaking in public.

Yes.

In public I think it was in June, isn’t that right? Of ‘85.