Nirvana is not somewhere else; it is your inner space. Just get out of the clutches of the mind. Your mind is like an octopus: if somehow you get free of one of the legs of the octopus, there are other legs. There are gross legs and there are subtle legs, and by the time you start getting free of the other legs you are getting entangled into other legs. It goes on and on in circles.
The man who escapes from the world, what is he saying? In the East for thousands of years people have been renouncing the world because they say it is illusion. If you truly understand that it is illusion, then what is there to renounce?
These fools even come to me and they ask, “What kind of sannyas are you teaching people? Sannyas means renunciation. They should leave the world, but they live in the world. Not only do they live in the world, they live more deeply and totally in the world than other worldly people. What kind of sannyas is this?” They think I am teaching a wrong kind of sannyas.
I am teaching the ultimate sannyas, not a wrong kind, but for the first time the right kind. The wrong kind has prevailed for a long time, for centuries. See the stupidity of the whole thing. You call something illusory and then you escape from it. If it is illusory there is no need to escape. It should be so simple. If it is real then why escape? If it is real then how can you escape?
Nobody renounces their dreams. Or do you renounce them every morning when you wake up – “I renounce all my dreams. I renounce all the treasures that I had in my dreams. I renounce the kingdom of my dreams”? You don’t renounce them, otherwise people would laugh at you – you have gone mad. Dreams are dreams.
And these so-called spiritual people have been telling the world that the world is a dream – renounce it. What nerve – to call it a dream and in the same breath to say, “Renounce it”! Either it is not a dream or it is a dream – make sure what it is. And either way you cannot renounce it. If it is a dream there is no point in renouncing; if it is a reality, how can you renounce reality? – because reality is synonymous with godliness.
Hence I teach: Rejoice. There is no need to renounce anything – there is nothing to be renounced. Rejoice, and rejoice more totally. Rejoice in a multidimensional way. Dance, sing, be blissful. Let laughter be your life, let love be your life. That is the only true way to know what is.
The second question:
Much of my Catholic mind has been tense with struggle for power, approval, love, sex. Meditation stirs up frustration. What is “just looking”?