It was true…because they could not manage to move the train even an inch. The sweets were brought, the coconut was brought, they were placed at his feet, and he said, “Now take me back to my place just the way you pulled me out, and learn to have respect. Your government job is nothing; there is a higher government.”

As the mystic went in, the train moved. And since that day he became famous as Bengali Baba. That’s all he has done. And now he is living luxuriously…he has done a miracle.

I asked him, “How did you manage it?”

He said, “It was simple. I had to bribe two persons, the ticket collector and the driver. That ticket collector was my man, and also the driver. A simple thing…I gave twenty-five rupees to each and I said, ‘It is a question of my life and death. Just do it once and my whole life I can live as lazily as I want.’

“Now people are massaging my feet, bringing sweets, and many miracles are happening on their own; now I am not doing anything. Sick people get healthy, people who don’t have children start getting many children – but this is all happening on its own, I am not doing anything. I have done my first and last trick.”

People have been cheated all through the ages by all kinds of charlatans – and these charlatans have become saints. They have been telling lies, but there is no way to detect who is right.

Hindus believe in one hell. To defeat Hindus, Jainas believe in seven hells; to defeat Jainas there was a teacher contemporary to Mahavira, Gosal, who believed in seven hundred hells. You cannot prevent…Neither is there any evidence for one hell, nor for seven, nor for seven hundred.

But people are gullible! People are so afraid. And these people have been making everybody afraid of hell and hellfire, and making everybody greedy for paradise and heaven and all the joys and pleasures there. Between greed and fear all your religions have existed.

So whosoever thinks you to be esoteric, tell him that for the first time there is a man who is absolutely non-esoteric, who says that there have never been any miracles, that all miracles are either manipulated or invented later on when the founder is dead.

Nobody walks on water; nobody makes people come alive again when they have been dead for four days. All these stories…and a small human being, afraid of getting into some hell from where there is no escape, naturally gets caught by these so-called saints, miracle-mongers, priests.

My sannyas has nothing to do with esotericism; it is purely a science.