That is why the second jump happens from thou to that; in this jump thou disappears, in this jump the divine manifests in the form of that. Then we can say neither I nor thou – we say that. In this that, not even a trace of the I remains. Not even that much is left which we once called thou. The I disappears like a line drawn on water. With this, the thou too disappears because it is only the other aspect of the I. Now only that remains. That is the purest assertion, now no impression of the memory or of the past is casting its shadow. That is quite unattached and indifferent….
That has these four attributes:…truth, knowing, infinity and bliss – which we talked of in the morning. The sage calls them attributes. “Attributes” are descriptions of how that is recognized, or the way in which we recognize that. These are two different things.
If the sage says, it is truth, knowing, infinity and bliss, that will also create limitations. If he says that is infinite, this definition too will make that finite.
Try to understand this. It is a very subtle perception – very subtle, minute and delicate. When one says that the divine is indefinable, one has already defined it. This statement looks contradictory but it is not, because you have defined it as being indefinable. You have accepted this much definition – “It is indefinable.” That is also a definition, you have said something – and you have said much. If it is right, you have defined it completely. If this is true, that it is indefinable, then this becomes the definition. What else could a definition be?
What does a definition mean? A definition means saying something real about something. Even if we only say this much – that a definition is not possible – we have defined it. If we just say that truth is its definition, we are binding it to a limit; even though we are using a beautiful word, truth, it is still a limit. When we say that it is truth, we are drawing a line to exclude the untruth and thereby separating it from the truth. And we are binding truth by this dividing line; untruth falls outside and truth has to remain within that line.
The sage says that this is not correct because if untruth exists, it is also contained within the divine. Nothing can exist outside of that. And to say that that is only truth is to give that a limit, a boundary. That is why some people have not said anything about that – only because to say anything is to commit a mistake. If we say it is knowing, we are drawing a boundary line. If we say it is infinite, which means it has no limit…but if we have come to know that it is infinite, it has then become finite.
Someone says that the ocean is unfathomable. What could that mean? Either this man has already been to the ocean’s limits and has explored the whole ocean and found it unfathomable – which is an impossibility, because if there is no limit to its depth, how could he come to the conclusion that it is unfathomable? Has he reached its limit, has he explored the whole vastness of the ocean? And if he has, then it has a limit. And if he has not been that far then he should not call it unfathomable; he should only say that as far as he has been, no limit was found.