There are two ways to attain enlightenment – one, sudden; the other, gradual. The sudden way happens very rarely, but it happens. The gradual way is easier because then I am not asking you to throw the whole onion; that will be too much. I will have to persuade you. Just peel off the first layer which has already become dirty – and you also feel it is dirty – so much dust has gathered on it, and it has become so dry, and you are so much encaved and it goes on shrinking and shrinking, and it has become a prison. So you listen to me, you peel it off.
The second layer will be more difficult to peel. It will be fresh, you would like to cling to it. The third layer will be still more difficult – the nearer you reach the more difficulty comes close, because beautiful things start happening. You have not reached the center yet but you are moving nearer – just as if you are moving towards the river, and the air is cool, and you start feeling good. Now the marketplace is left behind, the dirty air is no more there, the stale atmosphere is not there. The sky is more open, the river is closer, the river is sending messages through the air: I am close, come on!
The more you come near, the more you may start clinging to the layers, because you will feel: This is happening because of the layer. It is not happening because of the layer, it is happening because you are now nearer to the center.
So there are people who cling to worldly things, and then I come across so many people who start clinging to spiritual things – these are parts of the layers.
Somebody says: Such beautiful light happens to me! He comes and says: Osho, help me; so that I can always experience this light. What will you do with it? Light is an experience, it is not you. It is something different from you. You are the experiencer, the witness. Once before, you were experiencing money, now you are experiencing light, but it remains the same – it is an object; now you want to cling. If I had said: Drop your money, all worldly things, you would have understood, but if I say: Drop all this nonsense, this light! and your kundalini arising! and visions! and the lotus flowering within you! – drop all this nonsense; you wonder what type of spiritual man I am. I should help you so that more lotuses flower within you.
But they will remain ‘of the layers’, they have to be peeled off. And I have to help you to peel the whole onion.
I am not going to help you stop anywhere before nothingness happens. Nothingness is the goal, shunyata. All layers gone, and emptiness in the hand. Alone you are left, with no experience.
Spirituality is not an experience. It is to come, fall back to the experiencer itself. It is not an experience – all experiences are of the world, because they belong to the layers; they don’t belong to you.
Meditation is an unlearning process. Don’t ask for their relationship, there is none – they are not two, they cannot be related.
The third question: