That has been one of the most ancient traditions in the Sufis – that when somebody comes to declare it, he is sent to Kaaba. The journey cools him, his ecstasy becomes cooler and cooler and cooler. And the impact of Kaaba…because that stone is not just a stone. In fact, no stone is just a stone, and certainly that stone in Kaaba is not just a stone! It is the rarest stone in the world because millions who have known God have kissed it. No other stone like that exists. Millions who have known God have kissed it. That stone has a different vibe, no other stone has that pulsation. So it is an ancient tradition in the Sufis that when somebody declares, he has to go and kiss the stone. By kissing that stone something happens. So many declarations, the whole stone crying and shouting “I am God”, that your own small voice is lost – it cools. Then you know that so many have known; there is nothing to declare. Millions have known, “I am not new, I am not the first one there. I am not a pioneer.”
Mansoor was sent, but he could not reach because in the middle he was caught. He was declaring. Even when he was going alone, suddenly it would happen and he would declare. He was caught, brought to the court, was killed.
But even when he was being killed he was declaring. It is not right to say that he was declaring; it was declaring through him.
When you have come to know it, if it declares, good. Sometimes it declares, sometimes it. does not declare. In the case of Junnaid it didn’t declare, it simply remained there. It depends. Junnaid was capable of remaining silent. But with Mansoor it was uncontainable. But one thing has to be remembered: you are not to declare it – that must be kept in mind, continuously in mind. If you declare, you have done something false, you have committed a sacrilege.
You ask me,
You say not to convert anyone or say you have found it. What about you, Osho?
I am crazy. You leave me alone. Do what I tell you to do, don’t do what I do. You will have to wait for that moment. That moment will come, and when it comes it is such a liberation. But if you start pretending before it comes, you will be preventing it; then it will never come. It never comes to pretenders.
And you ask,
What about wanting my beloved to become a sannyasin?
Prita…. I can understand. When you are enjoying something, something like sannyas, you would like it to be shared by your beloved. Who would not like that? But there is a danger: don’t go and become aggressive, otherwise you will do exactly the opposite of what you wanted to do. Nobody wants to be pulled, manipulated. Nobody wants to be dominated – certainly not men. No man wants to be a follower of his woman; the ego is very strong.
The male ego is very aggressive. That is one of the greatest experiences woman should have learned by now. I know people, couples….