Certainly. Whatever I say to them is hypothetical, just the way science works. A scientist enters into an experiment with a hypothesis. Hypothesis means not belief, but just that one has to begin somewhere. So for the moment he accepts a certain concept and enters into it with absolute alertness so that he is not deceived by his own hypothesis. He has to be aware that it is only a hypothesis and not a truth.
But you also said, “Trust me, follow me.”
That is said to those people who have arrived. I have been speaking to millions of people, and when I speak to a person I cannot take account of the whole world. My statement is direct and immediate and personal. When I have said to somebody, “Trust and follow me,” that means the person has arrived. Now there is no need of any skepticism, no negativity. Now there is no need for him to unnecessarily harass himself, he has done enough. But not before that.
So trust is a later state?
I belong to the diminishing minority of Dutch people who regard the holy Roman Catholic Church as a wonderful institute in which a lot of wisdom can be found. At the same time I enjoy your books and videos. Is this a paradox, and if so, what can be done about it?
It is a paradox and you know exactly what has to be done about it. If you could have left me, you would have left. You cannot leave me, so the paradox is dissolved: Catholicism is finished.
In the Catholic Church I meet persons I sincerely experience as sincere. I have often read that, for example, you mock Mother Teresa a lot. I once met her myself and I found her a beautiful woman. When I asked her, “Should Christians convert people of other religions to Christianity?” she answered, “No, let everybody go his own way. You go your way to God, I go my way.” And I found her a sincere woman, as far as I can experience.
First, there are sincere people in every religion, but groping in the dark. So if you meet sincere seekers in the Catholic Church, it is your duty to bring them out of the Catholic Church, because there they are not going to find what they are seeking. A seeker cannot seek if he is surrounded by dogma, by a certain attitude about reality – and that too, two thousand years old, out of date, out of existence.
Those Catholic churches are just graveyards. Those people may be seekers and sincere. Tell them, “You are searching in a graveyard. Come where life is. Come where dance is. Come where the fresh wind is blowing. In this stale, closed Catholic Church, you are going to get suffocated and die, you are not going to find it.”