And you say, “When you said the other day that to relax is one of the most complex phenomena possible, I glimpsed a rich tapestry in which the threads of relaxation and let-go were deeply interwoven with trust, and then love came into it, and acceptance, going with the flow, union and ecstasy…” Yes, relaxation is one of the most complex phenomena – very rich, multidimensional. All these things are part of it: let-go, trust, surrender, love, acceptance, going with the flow, union with existence, egolessness, ecstasy. All these are part of it, and all these start happening if you learn the ways of relaxation.
Your so-called religions have made you very tense, because they have created guilt in you, they have created fear in you. My effort is to help you get rid of all guilt and all fear. I would like to tell you there is no hell and no heaven. So don’t be afraid of hell and don’t be greedy for heaven. All that exists is this moment. You can make this moment a hell or a heaven – that certainly is possible – but there is no heaven or hell somewhere else. Hell is when you are all tense, and heaven is when you are all relaxed. Total relaxation is paradise.
The third question:
Every time you have spoken on a master, I have felt you to be in love with that master and you flowing through his sutras. In this series though, I feel you standing apart from Buddha and not really in love with his work.
Is something changing or am I imagining things?
You are not imagining things. With me, you will have to be always on the move – things will be changing. As you grow up I will be telling you things which I could not tell you before. It is not that my love for Buddha is less – my love cannot be less or more; my love is just love, it is a quality, it has no quantitative dimension to it. It can never be less or more – it simply is.
I love Buddha, I love Jesus, I love Zarathustra, I love Lao Tzu, I love Patanjali – because I love. Because I love you, because I love the trees, because I love the birds… My love is not less.
And you are perfectly right that I am standing apart – I will be standing apart more and more in the future. I am preparing for the new phase. The work has to take a quantum leap, and much preparation is needed. The work has to take on a totally different quality now. Now I have people with me of great trust, of love, people who are committed and surrendered.
In the beginning I was talking to the masses. It was a totally different kind of work: I was in search of disciples. Talking to the masses I was using their language; talking to the masses was talking to a primary class. You can’t go very deep; you have to talk superficially. You have to look at whom you are talking.