Something you said struck me like a gong. You said – or I heard – that enlightenment is the last experience of the mind. Can you elaborate on this please?
It looks very contradictory to my other statements. I have said again and again that enlightenment is beyond mind. So naturally when you heard it, that I am saying enlightenment is the last experience of the mind, the contradiction was absolutely clear. But you have to understand something very subtle: experience as such needs a mind. Of what it is does not matter, because experience means duality: the experiencer and the experienced.
So what I have said before was just to help you drop the mind. My words are devices, not statements. What I said yesterday was actually the fact. It is the mind’s last experience – because for experience mind is needed. If there is no mind, there is no experience. You are, but you cannot talk about any experience of bliss, of ecstasy, of godliness, of nirvana. You cannot talk….
And the problem for me is that unless I give you these incentives, why should you bother to be enlightened? If with the mind gone, enlightenment is also gone, and just eternal silence prevails – that too you cannot say as your experience. You are no more. That old world of subject and object, I and you, does not exist.
You should also try to understand the difficulty of a master, just the way the master tries to understand your difficulties. His difficulties are far greater.
I have to give you an incentive, encouragement. The idea of being blissful, the idea of being enlightened, the idea of attaining the truth, somehow catches a few people’s minds, and they start moving in that direction. Finally they will find that all these things will happen – but they will be still of the mind. Don’t stop at that. But that can be said only to those who have traveled the path. There is something more than experience that is beyond mind.
Gautam Buddha had used two words. For enlightenment he uses a word: nirvana. But he knows that there is still a step more, so he calls it maha parinirvana.
The word nirvana itself means attaining to a state of so deep silence that no self exists – because that is also a disturbance. Nothing exists. You are in a state of selflessness, but still it is an experience, so you may not be seeing the self but the self is experiencing it as a selfless state.