Scientists say that with a single kiss at least one hundred thousand germs are exchanged between a man and a woman; or, if you are gay, then between a man and a man. What about kissing the stone of Kaaba? – for fourteen hundred years millions of people, year in, year out, go on kissing it. It must be the most dangerous stone in the world. But every Mohammedan has the desire to go on a haj, on a holy pilgrimage, so that he can become a haji, so that he is known as a holy pilgrim – he has been to Kaaba, he has kissed the stone, the holy stone.
Either the whole existence is holy or no stone can be holy.
Hindus go to the rivers…Now scientists say that the Ganges is the most polluted river in India; it is very dangerous to take a dip in the Ganges. But who listens to the scientists? Hindus think this is the holiest river and once you take a dip in the river all your sins are washed away. And my feeling is that the scientists must be right because so many people have washed their sins in it…It is not only polluted, it is the most sinful river, because how many people have been washing their sins in it! Now even to take a dip in it is dangerous: you may wash away your sin, you may bring back somebody else’s with you. It is always good to have your own, at least you are familiar with them. Now bringing back somebody else’s sin you never know what you are in for.
The only true religion is the religion of understanding, and understanding comes out of agnosia. Never forget this beautiful word of Dionysius’: agnosia, a state of not-knowing.
I have to be patient with you only because you are so full of knowledge, so full of words. Your questions are not real inquiries, they are all intellectual, they are not existential.
You say: “I am deeply convinced that our way is to drop the ego…”
If you are deeply convinced then drop it and be finished! Then why are you carrying it? With such a deep conviction, why are you carrying the ego? Do you need more deep conviction? How much have you been able to drop of the ego with so much deep conviction? If you have not been able to drop any part of your ego then no conviction Is going to help.
And you say: “…to come back to our potential of sensuality and emotional sensitivity and to increase in total awareness…”
You have simply learned words, otherwise there is no going back ever. One cannot go back in time, one always goes forwards. One becomes a child again, but that is not going back, that is going forward.
That’s why the words of Jesus are not…Remember the words. He says, “Unless you are like small children you shall not enter into my kingdom of God.” He has not said, “Unless you are children,” he says, “Unless you are like small children.” It is very clear that he is saying you should be a grown-up person and yet like small children. It is not children themselves who will be able to enter into the kingdom of God, but people who have passed through all the experiences of life, good and bad. sweet and bitter, who have come to a certain maturity through experience, who have lived life dangerously, who have gone astray many times and who have committed thousands of mistakes – because this is the only way, this is the only fire that crystallizes you. These people can be children again.