If you see any kind of organization, it is just like the post office or the railway management. It is not a church, it is just to make me available to you more easily, more comfortably – otherwise I would be crowded and it would not be possible to work at all. The organization is there, just like the postal department. It is needed. But it is not an institution. Its function is there, its utility is there, but it is not a church. My sannyasins don’t belong to any organization, they belong to me. And each sannyasin belongs directly to me, it is not via the organization. The organization is there only to facilitate things. It is not a party, a sect, a church; it is nothing of the kind.
And to each individual my answer is always different, hence you will find many contradictions. I don’t have anything fixed. Whenever I face an individual I reflect him. I see into him. I don’t have anything in my mind to enforce. I see into him; I respond to him.
When a child comes I respond in his way; when an old man comes I respond in his way. And each individual is so unique, so utterly unique, that you cannot give the same answer to everybody.
The second question:
Can a disciple transcend form and be in tune with the essence of the creator?
Why this hankering to transcend form? Form is also of the creator, form is also God. In the form he also exists. Nothing is wrong with the form.
The problem arises only when you start thinking that the form is all. There is no need to transcend the form, there is only a need to understand it. Form is perfectly beautiful, the body is perfectly beautiful – but don’t think that the body is all. There is something more, something more that is not visible to the eyes, something deep. It has to be there.
The body is the surface, the soul is its depth. These are not two things. God and the world are not two things…the world is the surface and God is the world’s depth. And the depth cannot exist without the surface, remember, neither can the surface exist without the depth. They are together, they are absolutely together. They are one. It is only in language that the division arises; reality remains indivisible.
So first, don’t hanker for transcendence. There is no need – only understanding is necessary. Or, if you love the word transcendence, then you can remember: understanding is transcendence. But transcendence is not of the form, transcendence is of both the surface and the depth – because the moment you see it is all one then you cannot define it as the surface and you cannot define it as the depth. Then all definitions are meaningless. Then you are facing the indefinable. You have transcended duality. But it comes through understanding.
The very idea of transcendence can create problems. You can start repressing, you can start condemning – that’s how condemnation entered into human consciousness. And it has been the greatest calamity that man has ever suffered.
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