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Osho Audiobook - Individual Talk: Live Zen, # 14, (mp3) - answer, believe, nansen


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Beat the Drum

Talk #14 of the Series, Live Zen

Would you agree with Kasan that there is a state beyond learning?

The second question: Is it possible to hear through the eyes and see with the ears? That's what feels to be happening during these discourses.
Would you please comment?

And the third question:What did the monk mean by his last question? To speak of how to treat a buddha sounds as if one has some control over how one will be in his presence, as if there might be a certain protocol to be observed.
Would you please explain?

"Maneesha, before I talk about the anecdote, I would like… Who is at the drum? Nivedano, beat the drum first.



"You will have to do it again and again whenever I say….

"This anecdote about Kasan's beating the drum looks so simple from the outside, but from the inside it has tremendous meaning and is multidimensional."
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Osho continues:
"The first….

"You have to understand what a drum is.

"A drum is emptiness enclosed.



"There is nothing inside the drum. That is our actual state. We are just an outside cover, inside is emptiness. And just as the drum can speak out of emptiness, you are doing everything out of emptiness. This is one dimension of the meaning of Kasan's beating the drum.

"The other dimension is that whatever question is asked to him, he goes on saying in answer, 'Beating the drum.' It does not matter what question you are asking – there may be millions of questions but there is only one answer:



"…and the answer cannot be verbalized. That's why Kasan used to keep a drum by his side. You ask him anything – it does not matter what you are asking, he will simply beat the drum. That was his answer.

"Reduced to your understanding it means, 'Be nothing just like the drum and you will find the answer. I cannot give it to you, it is your own emptiness. At the most I can hit you from the outside, but the sound comes from within you.'
Kasan said, 'Learning by study is called hearing; learning no more is called nearness; transcending these two is true passing.'
"Kasan is certainly a master as far as finding exact analogies from the experience of no-mind to the world of mind. Nobody surpasses him. You have to understand him slowly: Learning by study is called hearing. Somebody else has written, you have studied it; somebody else is teaching, you have studied him – but it is all only hearing, it is not experience. Knowledge cannot be converted into experience. On the contrary, it is the greatest barrier to experience. Learning by study is called hearing.

"He says that at the most the studious, the learned can be said to be people who have heard it. Not that they have known it.

"Every Buddhist scripture starts with the words, 'I have heard….' There are thousands of Buddhist scriptures, but without any exception, every scripture begins with the words, 'I have heard' – a deep sincerity, a truthfulness. 'Buddha may have known, but as far as I am concerned, I have only heard.'

"Learning no more is called nearness."
In this title, Osho talks on the following topics:

answer… believe… crazy… sensitivity… nansen… setcho

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